Yesterday morning, Flannista woke up to a slew of Facebook messages in regard to an article Chrysosistah posted on her Facebook Wall which detailed Florida Governor Crist's backing of President Obama on the controversial Islamic Center. Needless to say, it roused a couple of "friends", particularly one, who mercilessly lambasted Chryso's consistently thoughtful First Amendment position. Following are excerpts (please note that Flann did not correct misspellings):
CHRYSO: Ultimately, it comes down to a First Amendment right built into the Constitution, part of civil liberties our founders felt were extremely important based on what they and their forebears had experienced. They are RIGHTS, not privileges, and should not be subject to mob rule.
FRIEND: How can anyone refer to themselves as a "peaceful" religion when they willfully murder as they please, provide safe harbor for those of their "faith" who commit such murders, and lie to authorities when questioned about such activities . . . . if followers of Islam are so peaceful, so good-natured, and truly are interested in pursuing worship, rather than murder and espionage and violence against American citizens at every opportunity...then let them turn Osama Bin Ladin over to American authorities.
CHRYSO: The Muslims I know were horrified about 9/11, and Muslims were among those maimed & killed. Timothy McVeigh was Catholic, but we don't hold that against the church. What about all the other wackos thru time (that guy with the Koolaid in Guyana comes to mind)- they all professed strong religiousity, but were completely off their rockers. So it is with these terrorists. Believe it or not, there are Muslim Americans, many of them, and I think they deserve the same right to worship we all have.
FRIEND: I'm hopeful that not all Moslems are intent on committing murderous acts against American citizenry, HOWEVER...their group seems to be able to justify murdering anyone they choose. Do the Southern Baptists do that? the Methodists? Catholics? I wonder how many people who support the mosque that close to Ground Zero would feel that way, had they had loved ones diving from 1500 feet onto the pavement below on 9/11...
CHRYSO: I'm sorry this post has upset you that much; but let's not conflate all the issues this country faces into one rant. Americans, ALL Americans, have the Constitutional right to worship (or not) as we see fit. And that includes building or keeping a house of worship within zoning and building code rules.
FRIEND: Does the right of free religion also include support of murder and treason? Perhaps they don't all do that, but their "religion" is a greater than significant base for planting terrorists in the US...sorry, but I don't believe there is any God that would be good with that, and as a peace-loving individual, I would never connect myself with an entity like that.
[FRIEND then includes a long excerpt from the Qur'an on its concept of war. FRIEND then continues:]
I am entitled to discern for myself whether or not "someone's religion is truly a religion", as are you. You seem determined to believe that these people are totally harmless, and their rights will be violated if they aren't allowed to build their mosque on that particular site. I don't agree with you, because I DON'T see these people as harmless and peace-loving, and the location they have chosen is (in my opinion) a trophy for them and a reminder of their "victory" on 9/11. You deftly deflected their "scripture" I provided you, but it is simple and straight-forward...no one is right but them, and they are entitled to kill anyone who opposes them.
After Flannista read these fb comments, she posted this one, addressing the FRIEND:
FLANNISTA: I know that you will probably read this, FRIEND, but your adamantine stance on this issue reminds me of a scene in Teaching a Stone to Talk by the Pulitzer-prize winning writer, Annie Dillard. One day, while walking in the woods, she comes across the remains of a fox and a badger, the badger's jaw still deeply imbedded in the remains of the fox. The badger had died defending himself. Seemed noble at first, but that's not the point of Dillard's essay. The point is that the badger was stubborn -- to the point of death.
Your points about the issue of the mosque were lost once your stubbornness eclipsed them. I could tell you were not listening to Chrysosistah, one of my beloveds, and frankly, it pisses me off. I've lost count of the number of friends who have had to tell me to over the years to shut up and listen. Looking back, I'm grateful to them.
With the gift of listening comes the gift of healing. Shut up and listen.
FRIEND: Stubbornness in a debate is two-sided if neither party gives in, wouldn't you agree? I'm sure that people who agree with me in this issue would consider those who oppose to be stubborn as well. At least I didn't stoop to your tactic of personal attack.
. . . and...if personal attack is your best weapon...perhaps it would be best if you, Flannista, were the one to shut up.
Flannista felt rather convicted by the FRIEND'S last comment, so she went to her small reading room, read some scripture and pondered it all. She then posted this to the FRIEND:
FLANNISTA: FRIEND, with the gift of listening comes the gift of healing. I'm listening.
FRIEND: I actually ran across an article in an Ottawa newspaper, authored by two muslims, who stated the reasons for building the mosque in that particular location. I didn't post it in this discussion because I felt Chryso and I had debated it "to the end", avoiding personal attacks, and we had agreed to disagree. To have posted it here, would have, in my opinion, shown a disrespect for our agreement. It is posted on my profile, should you wish to see it.
FLANNISTA: I read the Ottawa article in your profile, and I'm still listening.
FRIEND: Flannista, your condescending tone reveals that if you're listening, it's for what you want to hear. It also points to your possible desire to, to paraphrase you, "piss me off". You aren't going to accomplish that. Therefore, if you're really listening, I guess you'll just have to change the station.
What can Flannista say? She changed the station.
Recent Comments